Playin vs. Pimpin
***this really has nothing to do with sports, other than the fact that I've dealt with my fair share of athletes, which gives me more than an adequate platform to PREACH on this subject! Lol. So here goes...
I admire pimps. Ya, I said it. And no, not because I approve of what they do; but because they are open and upfront about doing something that most of us find detestable. Many of us don't have the courage to do that in our own lives, even though the bulk of our actions are way more marginal than selling a woman's body for profit. I'm not saying I wish we all acted like pimps in our dealings with people. But what if we all had a pimp's MENTALITY in terms of OUR OWN intentions and behavior in our relationships with others?
In terms of my own relationships, I've been in every role possible. I've been in monogamous relationships, situations where I had a #1 and another one (or two) on the side, times when I was someone's #1, and also when I was knowingly their #2. I know how the game works. I've never been a player, but I've done some very pimpish things. I can admit that because above all, one thing has always been constant in my relationships: honesty. Each person involved knew exactly what they were dealing with.
You see, a player plays games with people's emotions, time, effort, etc. They lie and they manipulate. A pimp tells those getting involved what the situation is up front, and then lets them make an informed decision about whether or not they want to participate. Sometimes the answer is yes, sometimes it's no. But if one does end up dealing with a pimp, they went in with their eyes open. I would much rather give informed consent than pretend ignorance is bliss. Anyone can lie, but it takes skills to tell the truth and still do what you want to.
Now we've all been dating that person that we thought we had all to ourselves. You know, they talk that game that sounds like genuine interest, call or come over when they say they will, are passionately intimate, and do all the little things to show that they're really feeling us. And then bam, we find out differently. Ladies maybe you've gotten that "I'm his girlfriend or baby mama" phone call or email. And fellas, maybe you've called at the wrong time or seen her out with someone else, and all the sudden realized you were "boyfriend #2". But the entire point of this is like dude, there are LOTS of men and women out there, especially these days, who don't necessarily need and/or want to be in a committed, one-on-one relationship to do the things that grown-ups do. So if you're just looking for a hook-up, why lie about it?
That is something I don't and will never understand. If you can tell the truth and still do what you want, what is the point of lying? I understand lying to your #1: your wife, husband, girlfriend, or boyfriend - although I definitely don't agree with it, I get why one might do it. But there is no need to lie to the randoms. Instead of being a player and a coward, have some respect for yourself and others, and act like a pimp! Because truthfully, they're the ones that have real game anyway! Lol.
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Chan is bringing some scandal to Yardbarker!!!! HAHA! But I love the blog as always! You always keep it real!
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sounds like a pimp preaching bout how much these "haters" need to step up to the table and quit hiding in the other room... as put by you...."I tell people up front the situation cause i am honest" [you's the pimp]...."do all the little things to show that they're really feeling us. then find out differently" [the player, or lame in this situation cause he wasn't forthright from jump]... and then realizing that they are "cowards" [the players] just something that the pimp or the pimptress (in this situation) will never understand the way of the coward.
gone head Miss Anderson... those people just a different breed....they just not real...so in the words of the great OJ da Juiceman "Gotta keep 200 for the ones they fake!!" haha...!! -
i am not a pimp. but i am honest and upfront about what i need and want from relationships, no matter what that means. this is just my encouragement for others to be the same way in that regard.
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From the players I've talked to - it's about the game. Getting the woman/man who wouldn't accept their advances if they were honest about their intentions. Instead of being about a relationship (monogamous, poly, open, or closed) it's about a conquest.
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Where did you get your information on pimps? Have you ever had a pimp? There is a glamorized "Hollywood" version of pimps, then there are real pimps. Real pimps abuse women physically and mentally! Real pimps take advantage of women who are destitute. Real pimps have no problem supplying their women with endless supplies of drugs and alcohol so they can perform detestable acts. Pimps are anything but honest! I hope no one is taking your relationship advice because it is very misguided! An honest man should not be compared to a pimp...! Maybe that's your problem, you can't tell an honest man from a pimp! You're obviously a bad judge of character. IF you were knowingly someones second or if you had seconds on the side then it's your own fault because you have conceded honesty from the beginning! You should demand better for yourself and never compromise what you want. Those that compromise find themselves in pimp-like and or playa situations!
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i'm not saying we all act like pimps. as i said at the beginning, just be upfront with people you're dealing with about the situation. it was a lighthearted comparison to make a point. pimps don't present themselves to anyone as honest. they are honest about being dishonest! no one is going to go into a situation thinking their pimp is going to marry them. but there are all these relationships out there that are based on false expectations and hopes because the people in them are not honest with each other. and i disagree that being someone's #2 concedes honesty. if you, that person, and their #1 all agree to participate in the situation as is while knowing all dynamics of the relationship (i'm not talking about at the same time - that's a whole different issue!) then how can you consider it anything but honest? it also doesn't mean you are compromising what you want if what you want is the freedom to do other things without being tied down to a single relationship. i just think that need for freedom should come with the courage to be honest about it.
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ATLBallin, you're right that pimps do the despicable things you talk about, like abusing women. Chantelle is definitely not trying to endorse pimp "behavior." Rather I think she's trying to point to the "mentality" of a pimp. There's no pimp out there that's going to try to tell you that he's setting you up with a girl because he wants you to fall in love. He's plain and honest about the (despicable) acts he does.
Then of course there is also the meaning of "pimp" that we use as slang to refer to non-criminal people who just subscribe to that mentality (not the illegal acts). I read the post as talking about those kinds of pimps... -
Exactly Alana!
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I don't disagree Yuri that pimps prey on women and do a lot of despicable things. Maybe you are misunderstanding what I mean by the word "mentality." The way I read Chantelle's post, she's simply referring to ONE small part of a pimp's way of life -- the fact that they are honest about the despicable things they do (including their dishonesty). That's their "mentality."
Please! No quality female like myself or Chantelle would ever accept disrespect from any man. But if it suits what I'm looking for, I do accept dating a man who I know is dating another woman and being honest about it. To me that's not disrespect if I myself decide that I am getting something positive out of the situation.
As for the slang definition of "pimp".... do you really never hear friends referring to another friend as a "pimp" because he's able to do something like date multiple women in the open, even though he's law-abiding and doesn't abuse any of them like a real pimp does? I use the word "pimp" in that slang way all the time. -
That is a great outlook on the dealings of relationships... I've recently wondered the same things myself and I've devoted myself to telling it like it is, but I've still managed to find myself in that situation where I thought I was number 1... I agree with you girl about the life and attitude of a pimp and the approach they take to game and if you look at it, it's not much of a game for them anymore, but more of a lifestyle... I can dig that... Check out my blog if you get a chance... www.relrelandrec.blogspot.com
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People lie to get what they want. I am one of the people that tell the truth about everything and I honestly miss out o a lot of girls that I could have had my way with if I would have just told them what they wanted to hear, like some of my friends do. I like it better my way though because I don't have to worry about getting my tires slashed and my windows bust out while im sleep...I was talking to one of my female friends and she told me tat girls say they want honesty but they don't really mean because they usually run from it.
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Chantelle.. I love the way you bring it! I believe in being up front too, you are the definition of fine! There u go, no playin here, straight up pimpin!
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haha thank you =)
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I think you could have used a better analogy. We all need to put our hands down hard on people's faces and show it how it is. We need pimps like Bill Clinton, John Edwards, John Spitzer, and the recently John Ensign who show it how it is. I do look up to these role models when it comes to my relationship. There is no point in hiding it since getting caught the worse you can get is the #2.
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"So if you're just looking for a hook-up, why lie about it?" --- Hey, Chan, I'm looking for a hookup. :-)
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hahaha. good luck with that! ;-)
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just because i respect a man for being honest doesn't mean i will stay around and deal with his behavior. i respect people that are honest enough to give me the choice to stay or go, based on the truth. i have no respect for people who make that choice for me (or anyone else) by telling lies so that what i'm believing isn't really what's going on. both people in any relationship should have all the facts and then make their own decisions accordingly. like if he's playing around with other chicks and i, knowing that, choose to stay, then that's my choice and my bad. but if i think he's being faithful when he's really being dishonest, then i have no choice in the matter and am really being manipulated.
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i admire the fact that pimps are honest about doing the terrible things they do. you not like it is not going to make them lie about being a pimp. if you like it participate; if you don't, don't. all i'm saying is, do what you do and have the guts to be honest about it, even if people don't like it.
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This has fail written all over it
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do you guys really not see the value in this kind of writing? She makes a provocative statement to get people's attention ("I admire pimps")... and then explains quite eloquently how of course she doesn't admire their despicable behavior, but rather she admires one small quality about them -- that they are upfront about what they're doing. Which also happens to the the quality that "pimps" in the slang sense of the word have, which is also admirable on some level.
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People only read headlines that fit in a 140 character tweet.
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I did read it why do you think I put what I did? I admire that pimps are honest? Thats like saying I admire rapists because they take what they want or I admire drug dealers because they have initiative...Sometimes trying to bring the good out of bad is worse then trying to bring the bad out of good
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I disagree SMH... I think this was actually a very clever way for Chantelle to make her point. For most of us, our gut reaction to a "pimp" is that they are BAD... if you're talking about a real pimp, then they are abusive criminals and all the bad things people have mentioned. But for Chantelle to point out the ONE good thing about a pimp -- that he's upfront -- it makes you realize how bad a lot of our regular-people's mentalities are. Chantelle is so offended by regular people who manipulate situations (players) that the "upfront" quality of a pimp is actually refreshing -- even though a pimp is a despicable person.
Chantelle could have used a less despicable character to make her point. She could have said she hates "players" and she wishes everyone would be upfront, just like an old-school grandma is upfront. She'd be making the same point, but in a much less powerful way, in my opinion. -
I get what your saying. Side note: Not all pimps do their women or men wrong. Just look at the Bunny Ranch for example the owner of that place is a pimp, and Brooke Taylor who works their and says she does it for the money b/c she makes around half a mil. in a year. Not all pimps are bad people. In some cases a pimps job is to simply do background checks on the clients and provide security for the men and women as they do their job.
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Yo i think some of ya'll are missing the point on this one!
Pimp on Pimpin' -
i agree with calieagle99 and alana. are you you guys really not getting the entire point of this post? maybe the opening line "i admire pimps" was just too surprising and outrageous to get past. does it have anything to do with me being a female and saying something that is unexpected and could be seen as a betrayal to my own gender? this has NOTHING to do with a pimp's actual job! it has everything to do with the fact that they don't represent themselves as anything different than what they are, no matter what people think about it. that is what i admire about pimps, and that only. guess i just don't understand how that's not clear in the blog...
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These guys get it Channelle, they are just pissed cause they know how hot you are, you put it all out there and they'll never have it. You are the definitive modern day brainy hottie, and Id love to be in your backcourt. Me with the assists, you knockin em down! Keep up the winning edge, I got your back!
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*Chantelle
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a "modern day brainy hottie"...that might just be the best compliment i've received in a long time. thanks! =)
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I like your idea for this blog, like your angle... I respect what you're saying. Keep me up to date with what blog you're in and I'll follow. Love to share ideas with you. I'm a songwriter, so I tend to think outside of my skin if you will, to see the full scope of... as The Artist once put it... 'this thing called life." Keep up the great topics, I'll follow.
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Wow...there, unfortunately, seems to be a plethora of individuals (interesting that they skew male) that obviously failed reading comprehension, english/creative writing and/or have no concept of using/combining analogy, logic, exaggeration, irony or moral paradoxes in literature...or in this case a blog...to make a point. A point that some times has really nothing to do specifically with the entities (or all the entities' actions, cultural perceptions, etc.) used in said analogy other than to MAKE A SIMPLE POINT. Which in this case is: BE HONEST!!! Be honest about who you are, what you want and what you expect. That's ALL this post was about.
And if you've read...excuse me..fully comprehended any of Chantelle's other posts, you'd have an idea about her style of writing which is quite provocative, humorous, entertaining and REAL! Usually starting w/an attention-grabbing title/headline that makes you think the post is about one thing or coming from one angle/perspective that upon readin the full post, you find out it isn't.
From a fellow sistah and writer...I feel you Chan. Another good post. Keep setting it off.
And for those of you that have your boxers and jock straps in a knot over this blog...um...."thou doest protest too much." (Which begs a whole host of other questions or potential blogs lol) -
LOL. thank you Scarab. you are of course exactly correct in the overall point of this post, as well as your description of my writing style and why i use such analogies. so glad you get it =)
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"interesting that they skew male"
Yeah, Chantelle always brings out the man haters and male bashers. Here you have "males" objecting to the use of the term "pimp" in a positive way, and they're being condemned for objecting. If a "male" athlete had written the exact same word for word article, instead of praising and defending him, you would be calling for him to be banned from ever writing for Yardbarker again. I realize that us "males" are held in low regard by Chantelle and her supporters like you but if you really believe that males are incapable of reading comprehension or the use of "irony or moral paradoxes in literature" I'd be happy to provide you with a rather lengthy list of male authors ( yes"male" authors) who are rather highly thought of. Although you might prefer Chantelle's band of "literature."
Tabloids, shock-jocks, etc, all use "provocative" "attention-grabbing" tactics to attract audiences, but oddly for that they are held in low-esteem and not considered worthy of being taken seriously. Think the National Enquirer versus the New York Times, or Don Imus versus Tom Lehrer. When you have to use shock headlines it isn't usually considered the mark of a superior writing talent, actually it generally gets you placed in the "trash" category reserved for those so lacking in ability that they have to resort to cheap tabloid tactics to get attention.
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OMG Nidelup you have got to be kidding me! My post says nothing against males. It actually calls out males and females equally (see paragraphs #5 and 6...and I also put myself - a female - out there in paragraph #3). I believe that men and women can both lie quite capably when it comes to relationships, and did not write this saying anything else.
Scarab did point out that the comments that took offense were written mostly by males, which is true. But I don't think she was saying because they're male they are "incapable of reading comprehension". There was no causal relationship implied. She was just defending me because it's obvious some people were taking offense to the "pimp" idea and not reading it for what I wrote.
And you are correct. It may have been taken differently by many if a man had written this article, but that is hardly my fault. I personally wouldn't have taken it any differently because I agree with advocating honesty and that's what this post is doing.
And if you really think my writing is no better than the national enquirer and the other trash like it then thats fine; you're entitled to your opinion. Interestingly you are always reading and commenting on what I write. And just so you know, yes, I may use certain lines for the "shock value" to get people's attention, but the overall point of what I write is not to gossip or degrade any group. It's to get people thinking and discussing things they might not consider otherwise. I don't understand how you can't see that, but thankfully there are many other people who do, and appreciate my writing for it.
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Yes, I know it wasn't your comment about males lack of reading comprehension, and I didn't say it was. I just pointed out that Scarab's comment was typical of the negative stereotypes of men that your blogs typically generate and which you never object to, which is noteworthy because of your strenuous objection to negative stereotypes of women. In fact not only did you offer no objection to the comment, and the one about "boxers and jock straps in a knot" your response was "LOL. thank you Scarab." So you thought it was funny. I just point out the hypocrisy, because you don't "LOL" when similar sexist comments are made about women, or about women athletes. But I commend your honesty in admitting that "i may use certain lines for shock value." I was just pointing out that using shock tactics to attract readers is exactly what the Enquirer does and they are not exactly held in high esteem.
"Scarab did point out that the comments that took offense were written mostly by males, which is true." So what? Why is their gender relevant? Do you want to have your comments and opinions dismissed because someone doesn't like your gender?
"Interestingly you are always reading and commenting on what I write." Uhh, yeah. I mean isn't that the whole point of having a blog that has a comment section? Aren't you supposed to read it and comment on it? Just like you read my comments and comment on them in turn. Am I missing something here? What is "interesting" about someone reading a blog and commenting on it? Or would you prefer to only have comments from the people who always agree with you?
Pimps are scum. Vicious scum. There is nothing, absolutely NOTHING to admire or commend them for.
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Nidelup i feel like commenting again on what you wrote would just give you another opportunity to twist and mock my words and meaning. so although i still don't agree with you, i'm going to just let you have this one. good job.
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I couldn't agree with you more.....Great post Chan...and like oyu, I appreciate honesty in any relationship...even from my parents....lol
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That was a pimpalicious post. I guess according to your definition, I'm considered a pimp because I'm not in a committed relationship with anyone, but I do let females know upfront, I'm not looking for a relationship, but if you want to go out, have fun etc. that's fine, but just don't be mad if you see me with someone else. We are not obligated to one another!!!
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I couldn't have said it better myself!! It's unfortunate that people refuse to be honest with all parties involved, and allow everyone to make their own decision based on the TRUTH! All Real talk. Kudos.
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If you're talking "PIMPS UP , HOES DOWN" then I can see why some will be up in arms about the statement. But today, the word "PIMP" is the new "F#@K" It can be used many ways and to describe many situations. I work in the music industry and we often refer to marketing as "PIMPing". The moguls are referred to as PIMPS. The artist often write about pimpin' this and pimpin' that. The PIMP I think Chantelle is talking about, is getting it , "without and fuss or confusion" This PIMP will tell you what they want. You can either choose to except it for what it is or you can show them your a$$ to kiss and keep it moving'. This PIMP will walk away, not concern in the least bit about one conquest they gotta work for. Because there are plenty who will give it up freely, if the "SWAG" is correct. Because, this PIMP's rep does not rest on the many conquest they have to work for. But, on their ability to get it, "without any fuss or confusion" This PIMP can walk into a room full of past jump-offs and dare them to act out and try to re-classify their relationship. Is this the PIMP you're talking about, Chan?

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